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Reveals of Can't fear your own world.


Part 1:

Yhwach's corpse is the new Soul King. Squad Zero put a lot of barriers and seals into it and transported him to the Soul Palace. It is heavily implied that something similar happened to the old Soul King.

Yhwach is not gone for good and still has an influence over the world. Of course no one knows what actually happened between him and Kazui, why it happened and what the consequences of that will be

The general population doesn't know that the Soul King they are protecting or worshiping is now Yhwach. They were told that Squad Zero successfully protected the Soul King and that he never died.

Shunsui and Ichibee initially planned to make Ichigo the next Soul King. They would have cut him up. Shunsui didn't like it much, Ichibee didn't care. He only trained Ichigo for that in the first place and honestly didn't expect him to win. He joked that the only downside would be that it would be a bit boring if Ichigo could not speak for all eternity. That's also what the soul tickets were there for.

The reason he did not become the linchpin was, because Yhwach had decided to change his plans and absorb the Soul King after seeing Mimihagi out of fear that he could be devoured by his father. Ukitake's sacrifice and Yhwach's plans saved Ichigo.

The history and origins of Soul Society are all based on lies.

The actions of Squad Zero regarding the truth and the Soul King will be judged in ten (the epilogue) or 100 (when Soul Society is going to have 100 days without night thanks to Ichibee) years

The ancestors of the five noble families committed an original sin regarding the Spirit King and it is their will that Squad Zero obeys to, not the Spirit King. It's one of the reasons why Aizen was so angry at the end of Deicide. Shunsui himself hates the ancestors and Ichibee.

Squad Zero actually died, but was revived with the same trick as Ichibee. The reason for this is that they are kinda fused through the Oken with the Soul Palace.

Nel rescued Harribel, who was transported alongside the rest of Yhwach's castle to the Royal Realm. She couldn't be rescued because she was in Yhwach's throne room.

Kira is still a zombie and the events of the 13th Blade story actually happened

The relationship between Quincy and Shinigami will improve and enter a new age thanks to the death of both kings.

Lille survived the fight against Kira and the destruction of the Seretei and caused trouble for several days. Eventually the birds were removed from the Seretei. It's unknown what that means for him and what his ultimate status is.

Shuutara's invention was most likely the Shinigami uniform

Orihime's power has three limits: She can't heal someone who had mortal wounds for a long time, though the exact time frame is unknown, at least the duration of a night, was no problem for her. She can't revive someone whose body and Reiatsu are gone. And of course her mental will and stamina will affect how strong her healing powers are.

Kensei and Rose were actually dead. Mayuri's science is just that good. Though it took almost six months to revert these two back.

C46 has only few members left and did many reforms. Their leader is Nayura (from the Kira short story). Half of them were killed by Shaz Domino and many of the survivors resigned.

There is actually a council of nobles that is above C46

Ichigo got his powers back within a short time

Tosen knew the truth behind Soul Society, it's why he sided with Aizen in the first place

Komamura is still a wolf

Ryuken is financing Uryuu's studies, but beyond that their relationship and what happened to the dads after their sons got jobs is not known (from We do (knot) always love you).
Part 2:

Hitsugaya became a captain two to seven years before the story

The Tsunayashiro family is the fourth member of the five grand noble families

Tosen's friend is called Kakyou. Her husband Tokinada was a minor member of the Tsunayashiro family and thus not punished by the law for his crime
Part 3:

Hisagi got his motorbike back. Presumably Yamamoto couldn't keep it confiscated after his death.

Ginjou is an acquaintance of the Shiba family. He, Tsukishima and Giriko are living there as freeloaders.

They kept their clothes and weapons because of their ability to manipulate souls.

The death of Kaien and Isshin's disappearance were major contributions to the fall of the Shiba family

Tsukishima cannot create new people in memories. He can only insert himself and/or replace others.

Ginjou was innocent. A Shinigami was sent to assassinate him. That Shinigami killed all of Ginjou's friends and Ginjou killed him in a fit of rage. Finding out about that plus the truth behind the Shinigami badge led to him rebelling. He went to the Seretei during the final arc in order to know the truth. But thanks to the Kamikake Ukitake was dead and could not speak. Ginjou still doesn't know why someone would want to assassinate him. It's implied the order came from high above. Ukitake is a major suspect and Ginjou believes it was him, but so far there is no confirmation.
Part 4:

Hanatora's brother Seinosuke is alive. He is medical attendant for the Great noble families

Shino (the female Shinigami substitute and partner of Yuki, that Ichigo saved in the beginning of the final arc) is the little sister/cousin of Ikkaku. Her full name is Shino Madarame. Her Zanpakto is a Naginata

Shino and Ikkaku lost their parents at a young age in the Rukongai. Because they were shifted from one family member to another, they actually don't know whether they are brother and sister or cousins. Ikkaku eventually decided to become a Shinigami and Shino followed him. He was immediately accepted into Squad 11. Shino had to go to the academy first until she was accepted into Squad 13. It's unknown how Yumichika fits into this.

The earthquakes that the death of the Soul King caused, led to the rise of several religious end-time sects. The founder of one rather popular one is lead by a woman of the name Michibane Aura.

Yukio became the boss of his company after six months and thanks to his experience with Ichigo in the final two arcs, he decided to use it to help humanity and make a better world. Yukio's company is also evolving into a feeding ground to gather Fullbringer from all over the world, starting with Riruka and Jackie.
Part 5:

Rudborrn Chelute is alive.

He used to serve under Barragan, but is content with both Aizen's and Harribel's rule because they brought order and rules into Hueco Mundo. He feels indebted to them for that reason. He also has the big dream of creating a pan-Arrancar nation that governs all of Hueco Mundo. The sight of Grimmjow, Nel and Harribel working together left him rather emotional and made his heart cry in joy.

Loly and Menoly were degraded to become part of the Exequias. The three worked together with Orihime and co. probably and defeated the majority of the Jagdarmee, who either used guerilla tactics or suicide attacks.

During Harribel's absence the hidden Vasto Lorde came to the surface and tried to become the new ruler. Rudbonn did not participate in the throne games, but repeatedly asked Grimmjow to help maintain order. He refused to fight small fry, as he himself put it in.

Once Harribel and Grimmjow returned after the war was over, the Vasto Lorder went back to their own colonies, disappointed.

The events of Sprits are forever with you are referenced, making them canon.

Ruddbon learned from his fight with Rukia. He can now produce his branches underground to avoid them getting frozen. He also managed to increase the production rate significantly. He can produce thousands of Calaveras within seconds. He, like a Quincy absorbs Reishi in order to create the Calaveras. They also learned new tactics, like using their sheer numbers to create formations and figures, like tentacles.

Grimmjow became a better person. All of Hueco Mundo changed for the better actually.

Liltotto, Giselle and Bambietta are alive.

Bambietta just wants Giselle's blood. Nothing perverted, probably. The reason for Bambietta's fragmented speech is that her injuries are not quite healed. Giselle could use her blood to do that, but thinks Bambietta is cuter that way and delays the healing process. She can think clearly actually, but because of her injuries (most likely because Giselle bashed her head), her ability to think has been degraded.

They were rescued by Haschwalth's aide under Haschwalth's orders. Right after acquiring the Almighty, Haschwalth decides to order the evacuation and treatment of every Quincy outside the Schutzstaffel. This explains why Giselle's and Liltotto's bodies were not seen during Yhwach's fight with Ichigo and Orihime.

Many Quincy were saved by Haschwalth's aide. It's actually quite possible that some Sternritter are among them, like Bazz-B and BG9.

Haschwalth's aide believes that the Schutzstaffel is gone, though she doesn't know that Lille actually turned into birds.

The Wandenreich HQ is in the human world.

Whatever Haschwalth saw in the future changed him. He only described it as cruel. He willingly decided play both sides in order to balance the odds. He knew that Yhwach would sacrifice him, but Haschwalth saw it as a fitting punishment and sacrifice for his behavior. He knew that this would be his fate, but he went to the battlefield anyway. He wanted to fight Uryuu and see what drives him, for when it comes to Uryuu, Haschwalth is shaken with emotion.

Haschwalth's aide is stronger than some of the Sternritter, but does not posses a Schrift, because she only wants to serve Haschwalth, but not Yhwach. She is the strongest archer within the Wandenreich. It seems that she is now ruling over the Wandenreich.

Bambietta is still a zombie. She was never brainwashed or mind-controlled. Zombie Bambietta is the real Bambietta's personality. Behind her though facade is simply a meek and scarred little girl. Her encounter with Komamura deeply traumatized and she suffers from PTSD, so much that she forgets that she is already dead.

It's possible that Giselle is highly intelligent and could rival Mayuri. It's just that she is too lazy to actually bother using much strategy. She is also a social expert, able to easily read other people and know what buttons she has to push in order to provoke them (or in Bambietta's case to make her break down and cry)

The Glutton has more abilities. Liltotto can recover Reiryoku with her ability and like Aaroniero, she can actually use the abilities of the things she consumed. She can use the poison of Loly after she consumed part of her body. She combines Loly's poison with Licht Regen to create a rain of poison, which is just awesome. She also can use Pepe's Love and considered it using against Yhwach, but thought it would be useless.

Apparently how things taste depend on what Liltotto thinks of their personalities. At the very least there seems to be a connection between taste and personality. Pepe tasted disgusting. Ruddbon appeared for Liltotto as more tasty than the tasteless Calaveras. Loly tasted quite good and spicy.

Giselle actually got nicer. Just a little bit. She doesn't hurt Bambietta anymore. Though psychological domination is still fine for her. Liltotto outright refers her as an S-type. But Giselle truly doesn't understand why Liltotto would describe her as a sadist.

The power that Yhwach steals will return over time. Only exception is Vollständig.

Ryuken and Uryuu may be able to use Sklaverei. Every Sternritter can, but only in Vollständig.

Mayuri collected the dead bodies of several Sternritter. Confirmed so far are Meninas, Candice and NaNaNa.
Part 6:

The nobles are living within their own city

Byakuya is not very popular with the general population. None of the current great nobles are like. Except Yoruichi. Everyone likes Yoruichi. The higher nobles in general are not very popular. Exceptions like the Omaedas exist.

Mayuri's Zanpakto Sex change device is canon.

Omaeda is a ladies man. Hisagi and Renji not so much.

Ukitake's exact involvement in the Ginjou incident is even unknown to Shunsui, but he is at least guilty of not interfering and just standing by.

The reputation of Squad 4 increased significantly thanks to their efforts during the war.


Hey all, it's been a while since I posted here but I found some information about the "Cant Fear Your Own World," novel there's a lot of interesting information.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comment ... st_part_2/
Spoiler:

Reveals of Can't fear your own world.


Part 1:

Yhwach's corpse is the new Soul King. Squad Zero put a lot of barriers and seals into it and transported him to the Soul Palace. It is heavily implied that something similar happened to the old Soul King.

Yhwach is not gone for good and still has an influence over the world. Of course no one knows what actually happened between him and Kazui, why it happened and what the consequences of that will be

The general population doesn't know that the Soul King they are protecting or worshiping is now Yhwach. They were told that Squad Zero successfully protected the Soul King and that he never died.

Shunsui and Ichibee initially planned to make Ichigo the next Soul King. They would have cut him up. Shunsui didn't like it much, Ichibee didn't care. He only trained Ichigo for that in the first place and honestly didn't expect him to win. He joked that the only downside would be that it would be a bit boring if Ichigo could not speak for all eternity. That's also what the soul tickets were there for.

The reason he did not become the linchpin was, because Yhwach had decided to change his plans and absorb the Soul King after seeing Mimihagi out of fear that he could be devoured by his father. Ukitake's sacrifice and Yhwach's plans saved Ichigo.

The history and origins of Soul Society are all based on lies.

The actions of Squad Zero regarding the truth and the Soul King will be judged in ten (the epilogue) or 100 (when Soul Society is going to have 100 days without night thanks to Ichibee) years

The ancestors of the five noble families committed an original sin regarding the Spirit King and it is their will that Squad Zero obeys to, not the Spirit King. It's one of the reasons why Aizen was so angry at the end of Deicide. Shunsui himself hates the ancestors and Ichibee.

Squad Zero actually died, but was revived with the same trick as Ichibee. The reason for this is that they are kinda fused through the Oken with the Soul Palace.

Nel rescued Harribel, who was transported alongside the rest of Yhwach's castle to the Royal Realm. She couldn't be rescued because she was in Yhwach's throne room.

Kira is still a zombie and the events of the 13th Blade story actually happened

The relationship between Quincy and Shinigami will improve and enter a new age thanks to the death of both kings.

Lille survived the fight against Kira and the destruction of the Seretei and caused trouble for several days. Eventually the birds were removed from the Seretei. It's unknown what that means for him and what his ultimate status is.

Shuutara's invention was most likely the Shinigami uniform

Orihime's power has three limits: She can't heal someone who had mortal wounds for a long time, though the exact time frame is unknown, at least the duration of a night, was no problem for her. She can't revive someone whose body and Reiatsu are gone. And of course her mental will and stamina will affect how strong her healing powers are.

Kensei and Rose were actually dead. Mayuri's science is just that good. Though it took almost six months to revert these two back.

C46 has only few members left and did many reforms. Their leader is Nayura (from the Kira short story). Half of them were killed by Shaz Domino and many of the survivors resigned.

There is actually a council of nobles that is above C46

Ichigo got his powers back within a short time

Tosen knew the truth behind Soul Society, it's why he sided with Aizen in the first place

Komamura is still a wolf

Ryuken is financing Uryuu's studies, but beyond that their relationship and what happened to the dads after their sons got jobs is not known (from We do (knot) always love you).
Part 2:

Hitsugaya became a captain two to seven years before the story

The Tsunayashiro family is the fourth member of the five grand noble families

Tosen's friend is called Kakyou. Her husband Tokinada was a minor member of the Tsunayashiro family and thus not punished by the law for his crime
Part 3:

Hisagi got his motorbike back. Presumably Yamamoto couldn't keep it confiscated after his death.

Ginjou is an acquaintance of the Shiba family. He, Tsukishima and Giriko are living there as freeloaders.

They kept their clothes and weapons because of their ability to manipulate souls.

The death of Kaien and Isshin's disappearance were major contributions to the fall of the Shiba family

Tsukishima cannot create new people in memories. He can only insert himself and/or replace others.

Ginjou was innocent. A Shinigami was sent to assassinate him. That Shinigami killed all of Ginjou's friends and Ginjou killed him in a fit of rage. Finding out about that plus the truth behind the Shinigami badge led to him rebelling. He went to the Seretei during the final arc in order to know the truth. But thanks to the Kamikake Ukitake was dead and could not speak. Ginjou still doesn't know why someone would want to assassinate him. It's implied the order came from high above. Ukitake is a major suspect and Ginjou believes it was him, but so far there is no confirmation.
Part 4:

Hanatora's brother Seinosuke is alive. He is medical attendant for the Great noble families

Shino (the female Shinigami substitute and partner of Yuki, that Ichigo saved in the beginning of the final arc) is the little sister/cousin of Ikkaku. Her full name is Shino Madarame. Her Zanpakto is a Naginata

Shino and Ikkaku lost their parents at a young age in the Rukongai. Because they were shifted from one family member to another, they actually don't know whether they are brother and sister or cousins. Ikkaku eventually decided to become a Shinigami and Shino followed him. He was immediately accepted into Squad 11. Shino had to go to the academy first until she was accepted into Squad 13. It's unknown how Yumichika fits into this.

The earthquakes that the death of the Soul King caused, led to the rise of several religious end-time sects. The founder of one rather popular one is lead by a woman of the name Michibane Aura.

Yukio became the boss of his company after six months and thanks to his experience with Ichigo in the final two arcs, he decided to use it to help humanity and make a better world. Yukio's company is also evolving into a feeding ground to gather Fullbringer from all over the world, starting with Riruka and Jackie.
Part 5:

Rudborrn Chelute is alive.

He used to serve under Barragan, but is content with both Aizen's and Harribel's rule because they brought order and rules into Hueco Mundo. He feels indebted to them for that reason. He also has the big dream of creating a pan-Arrancar nation that governs all of Hueco Mundo. The sight of Grimmjow, Nel and Harribel working together left him rather emotional and made his heart cry in joy.

Loly and Menoly were degraded to become part of the Exequias. The three worked together with Orihime and co. probably and defeated the majority of the Jagdarmee, who either used guerilla tactics or suicide attacks.

During Harribel's absence the hidden Vasto Lorde came to the surface and tried to become the new ruler. Rudbonn did not participate in the throne games, but repeatedly asked Grimmjow to help maintain order. He refused to fight small fry, as he himself put it in.

Once Harribel and Grimmjow returned after the war was over, the Vasto Lorder went back to their own colonies, disappointed.

The events of Sprits are forever with you are referenced, making them canon.

Ruddbon learned from his fight with Rukia. He can now produce his branches underground to avoid them getting frozen. He also managed to increase the production rate significantly. He can produce thousands of Calaveras within seconds. He, like a Quincy absorbs Reishi in order to create the Calaveras. They also learned new tactics, like using their sheer numbers to create formations and figures, like tentacles.

Grimmjow became a better person. All of Hueco Mundo changed for the better actually.

Liltotto, Giselle and Bambietta are alive.

Bambietta just wants Giselle's blood. Nothing perverted, probably. The reason for Bambietta's fragmented speech is that her injuries are not quite healed. Giselle could use her blood to do that, but thinks Bambietta is cuter that way and delays the healing process. She can think clearly actually, but because of her injuries (most likely because Giselle bashed her head), her ability to think has been degraded.

They were rescued by Haschwalth's aide under Haschwalth's orders. Right after acquiring the Almighty, Haschwalth decides to order the evacuation and treatment of every Quincy outside the Schutzstaffel. This explains why Giselle's and Liltotto's bodies were not seen during Yhwach's fight with Ichigo and Orihime.

Many Quincy were saved by Haschwalth's aide. It's actually quite possible that some Sternritter are among them, like Bazz-B and BG9.

Haschwalth's aide believes that the Schutzstaffel is gone, though she doesn't know that Lille actually turned into birds.

The Wandenreich HQ is in the human world.

Whatever Haschwalth saw in the future changed him. He only described it as cruel. He willingly decided play both sides in order to balance the odds. He knew that Yhwach would sacrifice him, but Haschwalth saw it as a fitting punishment and sacrifice for his behavior. He knew that this would be his fate, but he went to the battlefield anyway. He wanted to fight Uryuu and see what drives him, for when it comes to Uryuu, Haschwalth is shaken with emotion.

Haschwalth's aide is stronger than some of the Sternritter, but does not posses a Schrift, because she only wants to serve Haschwalth, but not Yhwach. She is the strongest archer within the Wandenreich. It seems that she is now ruling over the Wandenreich.

Bambietta is still a zombie. She was never brainwashed or mind-controlled. Zombie Bambietta is the real Bambietta's personality. Behind her though facade is simply a meek and scarred little girl. Her encounter with Komamura deeply traumatized and she suffers from PTSD, so much that she forgets that she is already dead.

It's possible that Giselle is highly intelligent and could rival Mayuri. It's just that she is too lazy to actually bother using much strategy. She is also a social expert, able to easily read other people and know what buttons she has to push in order to provoke them (or in Bambietta's case to make her break down and cry)

The Glutton has more abilities. Liltotto can recover Reiryoku with her ability and like Aaroniero, she can actually use the abilities of the things she consumed. She can use the poison of Loly after she consumed part of her body. She combines Loly's poison with Licht Regen to create a rain of poison, which is just awesome. She also can use Pepe's Love and considered it using against Yhwach, but thought it would be useless.

Apparently how things taste depend on what Liltotto thinks of their personalities. At the very least there seems to be a connection between taste and personality. Pepe tasted disgusting. Ruddbon appeared for Liltotto as more tasty than the tasteless Calaveras. Loly tasted quite good and spicy.

Giselle actually got nicer. Just a little bit. She doesn't hurt Bambietta anymore. Though psychological domination is still fine for her. Liltotto outright refers her as an S-type. But Giselle truly doesn't understand why Liltotto would describe her as a sadist.

The power that Yhwach steals will return over time. Only exception is Vollständig.

Ryuken and Uryuu may be able to use Sklaverei. Every Sternritter can, but only in Vollständig.

Mayuri collected the dead bodies of several Sternritter. Confirmed so far are Meninas, Candice and NaNaNa.
Part 6:

The nobles are living within their own city

Byakuya is not very popular with the general population. None of the current great nobles are like. Except Yoruichi. Everyone likes Yoruichi. The higher nobles in general are not very popular. Exceptions like the Omaedas exist.

Mayuri's Zanpakto Sex change device is canon.

Omaeda is a ladies man. Hisagi and Renji not so much.

Ukitake's exact involvement in the Ginjou incident is even unknown to Shunsui, but he is at least guilty of not interfering and just standing by.

The reputation of Squad 4 increased significantly thanks to their efforts during the war.

The reason for the fall of the Shiba family lies in the distant past. The Kaien and Isshin incidents were just the last straws.

Yoruichi was the one who decided Yuushiro should become her successor.

The noble families have an authority that is independent of Squad Zero and lies above them (even the Shiba retain that, as seen when Squad Zero had to ask for their permission to use the canon).

The Tsunayashiro family is the most important of the noble families.
Part 7:

Mashiro and the girl with the glasses from the 12th division (the one who asked about the previous Nemus) are sisters.

Mayuri has reanimated the dead Sternritter. Outside of the three that were already mentioned, these are the Sternritter, whose bodies Mayuri could have possibly collected: Haschwalth, Bazz-B (if dead), BG9 (if dead), Cang Du, Askin, Gremmy, Nianzol

Arrancar get progressively stronger through battles

The Negar ruins (the place Orihime met up with Chad and the Arrancar between the invasions) are actually a man-made stone temple built in ancient times. It's unknown what happened to the ancient civilization that built the temple or who the god of Hueco Mundo was (it's most likely not Barragan though).

Soul Society is a fake world, a charade built upon lies, by the ancestors of the five noble families.

The Soul King was always trapped and deprived of his power since the very beginning.

The last time, the five great noble families met was 1000 years ago.

It's made more and more ambiguous if Yhwach is truly dead and if the Soul King before him was actually alive. Urahara and Aizen knew about that. Yoruichi did not.

Many people from the real world experience a crisis of faith once they realize that Soul Society isn't exactly paradise.

Hisagi is poor because Urahara overcharges the prices for fuel for his motorbike.

Tosen met Aizen for the first time shortly after Kakyou's funeral. He saved Tosen from the beatdown of Tokinada's guards.

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Merci beaucoup !

Les parties sur le Soul King et Ginjo sont hyper intéressantes, c'est ça qu'on aurait aimé lire sérieux.

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Merci beaucoup !

Les parties sur le Soul King et Ginjo sont hyper intéressantes, c'est ça qu'on aurait aimé lire sérieux.

C'est vrai qu'il aurait pu mettre tous ça dans quelques chapitres supplémentaires :|


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Y a jamais eu autant de scénario et plot holes répondus que dans ce roman :|

Ce n'est pas Kubo qui les a écrit mais il s'est quand même chargé de toutes les illustrations donc bon, il a sûrement eu son mot à dire sur le contenu...

Bleach MX traduit d'ailleurs ce roman en VF :

https://www.google.fr/search?site=&sour ... rR_DWtxR3w

Plus qu'à répondre aux questions des Bankai manquants et ce roman aura bouclé la boucle.

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Après recherche y'a des résumés vraiment ultra détaillés et ça confirme donc que le roman répond à beaucoup de questions. En fait en sachant que le Soul King est un otage, ça change complétement la relecture : ça explique pourquoi le coeur et les mains du SK sont dans le camp des Quincies. C'est franchement dommage qu'on n'ait pas eu le droit à tout ça en chapitre.

Edit : http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/621/8 Une page telle que celle-ci prend donc une tout autre ampleur pour le coup.

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Y a jamais eu autant de scénario et plot holes répondus que dans ce roman :|

Ce n'est pas Kubo qui les a écrit [...]


J'ai du mal à comprendre votre enthousiasme pour le coup.


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Pardon je mets un erratum :

Citation:
co-written by Tite Kubo and Narita Ryohgo.


Flashbacks de la jeunesse d'Aizen dans le prochain volume!!@

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Ah déjà c'est mieux merci lol
Bon bah en tant que fan faudra lire ça


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Double post mais pour les anglophobes, je vais résumer :

Can't Fear Your Own World est un roman en plusieurs tomes co-écrit par Kubo qui suit Hisagi comme protagoniste principal.

Il répond à maintes choses laissées en plan que je vais essayer de résumer brièvement :

-La Soul Society n'a été créée et n'est basée que sur des mensonges.

-Le premier de ses mensonges est le Soul King : il a été découpé en morceaux et privé de ses pouvoirs depuis le départ; par les 5 familles nobles de la SS, c'est le "péché originel".

-Par extension, la division zéro obéit aux 5 familles et non au SK.

-C'est ce qui a motivé Aizen (puis Yhwach) à cette rébellion.

-le cadavre d'Ywach est devenu le nouveau SK mais personne ne le sait à part Ichibei et Shunsui.

-Le plan initial était que Ichigo devienne le nouveau SK, donc coupe en morceaux et muet pour l'éternité. Le plan changea quand Ychwach absorba le SK au lieu de simplement le tuer.

-personne ne sait trop bien ce qu'a bien pu impliquer la connexion entre Ywach et le fils d'Ichigo.

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pourquoi il a pas dis ça dans le manga c'est juste une information essentiel à la compression de tout l'histoire.
sa change al perception du manga quand même cette info.

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Parce que c'est kubo, et qu'il s'en foutait totalement.


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C'est juste une question de place. Il lui restait 2 chapitres pour tout finir, il a préféré (tenter de) donner une conclusion à ses persos et l'histoire plutôt que perdre des pages à explorer et lancer de nouvelles intrigues.

Ca rend on ne peut plus clair que Kubo a dû rusher son ending contre sa volonté (pour une raison ou une autre) et que c'est pour ça que tant de choses ont été laissées en suspens.

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Honnetement, il avait le temps d'expliquer, toutes ces pages pleines de monologues débiles auraient pu servir l'intrigue,

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L ultime volume du light novel Can’t Fear Your Own World serait sorti, les traductions et spoil’s commencent à sortir sur 4chan ou reddit.

Morceaux choisis :

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e get a flashback to Yhwach's meeting with Aizen in Muken. Aizen and Yhwach both want to destroy the nobles and punish the shinigami, but Yhwach wants to create a new world with a new king while Aizen wants to rule the existing one. Aizen declines Yhwach's offer to join and tells him to go ask Ichigo. Yhwach instantly shuts him down, saying he would rather destroy the universe and let it reform itself naturally than force Ichigo to shoulder that burden.

Shinjis bankai reverses the flow of time.


Grosso modo les ultimes mystères devraient être dévoilés.
Au final les plus gros méchants mais à peine révélés dans le manga furent les nobles qui sont un peu à l origine de tout (le Soûl King, Yhwach, Aizen...).

Pour être plus précis,
Le volume 1 est sorti il y a 1 an.
Puis gros black-out avec le volume 2 sorti début novembre. Le volume 3 sorti il y a 2 jours.

Je posterai évidemment le résumé ici.

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Outre Can’t Fear Your Own World,

Un nouvel ArtBook s apprête à sortir avec des interviews de Kubo à l intérieur.

Les enfants devenus grands :

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Kurosaki Kazui
Birthday: 29 April
Favourite thing/food: Burger Least favourite thing/food: None
Theme song: "Newdays" by Schroeder-Headz

Abarai Ichika
Birthday: 28 October
Favourite thing/food: My father
Least favourite thing/food: Ghosts
Theme song: "Typhoon" by →Pia-no-jaC←



Ça va finir à la Boruto...

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Ichigo est avec Inoue a la fin ?
M'en souviens plus.
A droite c'est Renji+Rukia (bordel la nostalgie en écrivant les prénoms ...).

Inoue a le maillot de bain le plus dégueulasse... Bordel Kubo, vide tes couilles avant de dessiner, c'est vraiment pire que tout la ...

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Ichigo est avec Inoue a la fin ?.


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Si quelqu'un pourrait m'expliquer le rôle du soul king, j'ai vraiment rien capté à ce personnage... Sinon si ce spin off peut expliquer 3-4 trucs obscurs ça sera toujours ça de pris ma foi.


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Ichigo est avec Inoue a la fin ?
M'en souviens plus.
A droite c'est Renji+Rukia (bordel la nostalgie en écrivant les prénoms ...).

Inoue a le maillot de bain le plus dégueulasse... Bordel Kubo, vide tes couilles avant de dessiner, c'est vraiment pire que tout la ...


Yep, deux couples, deux mômes. Pauvres Ishida et Chad :mrgreen: Même pas de quoi se consoler

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Des esprits peuvent donc baiser et avoir des enfants ? C'est completement con sachant en plus qu'il me semble qu'ils vieillissent sur des centaines d'années alors comment elle peut avoir la meme evolution que le gamin humain ? Ou alors on va me dire qu'ils arretent de vieillir normament plus tard ? Donc la gamine donnera l'impression d'avoir le meme age que sa mere. Ridicule.


Quand au dessin en maillot d'Inoue ... Mon dieu... AU moins Ichigo a de quoi faire au pieux


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Des esprits peuvent donc baiser et avoir des enfants ? C'est completement con sachant en plus qu'il me semble qu'ils vieillissent sur des centaines d'années alors comment elle peut avoir la meme evolution que le gamin humain ? Ou alors on va me dire qu'ils arretent de vieillir normament plus tard ? Donc la gamine donnera l'impression d'avoir le meme age que sa mere. Ridicule.


A partir du moment où tu as des esprits qui saignent...tu peux tout avoir


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t'as rien compris, c'est après qu'il se vide les couilles.

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Les Shinigamis et les esprits en général peuvent avoir des enfants. On a vu plein de familles dans la soul Society donc rien d’etonnant de le voir la.

Et en ce qui concerne la vitesse à laquelle les 2 enfants grandissent, c’est simple. Les âmes ne viellissent pas moins rapidement que les humains. C’est le temps dans la SS qui se déroule moins rapidement.


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Qu'entendez vous par là ? Je vous avouerais que c'est nouveau.

Que telle une salle de l'esprit et du temps, les heures à la Soul Society soient en fait des secondes dans le monde humain mais régit par les mêmes règles ?

Pour
-Sachant qu'aucun humain n'a pointé le fait que le cycle jour nuit semblait différent dans ce monde cela serait possible.
-Le fait que des mecs millénaires aient attendu la pauvre ellipse de 18 mois pour tous changer de look.

Contre
- Rukia aurait passé des années sur terre
- Durant l'exécution de Rukia le temps restant était donné en jour/heure, deadline qui était d'ailleurs la même sur terre et a la soul society.
- Chaque retour à la soul society après un passage sur terre serait espacé de plusieurs semaines/mois ce qui ne semble pas être le cas
- Isshin ne serait pas le pédo qu'il est
- Le plan d'aizen commencerait apres le début de leurs conséquence sur terre....
- Des shinigamis encore en vie ayant tués des quincys datant d'époques médiévales.

Que le temps soit traité différemment dans les deux mondes, après tout la soul society n'a pas forcément la même orbite, ils ont peut être des toute petites journées d'une heure et demie ou des mois de 2 jours ou des années d'une quinzaine de jours humain

Pour
-Seul chose justifiant l'existence d'individus ayant deux siècles si les âmes ne vieillissent pas moins rapidement que les humains.

Contre
-Les héros l'auraient forcément remarqué (Ils seraient resté des années a la soul society )
-Hitsugaya aurait forcément été adulte après l'élipse ( Il aurait eu 3o-4o ans de plus )
-Rukia évoque le fait qu'elle est soit bien plus vieille qu'Ichigo.
-Tellement d'autres choses

Pour ces raisons je ne vois pas ce que vous voulez dire par "temps se déroulant moins rapidement".


Dans tous les cas c'est problématique, il n'y a aucune raison que la fille de Renji et Rukia ai l'air plus vieille qu'Hitsugaya du haut de son demi siècle.
En fait la seule explication serait que ce corps de substitution soit plus âgé que son corps réel mais bon même cela, ce n'est pas possible vu le chapitre final

Après cette information est peut être issus d'un data book, mais même si c'était le cas ce serait plus incohérent/retconnect qu'autre chose..... bon c'est Bleach


Tl dr : Nope c'est juste du caca, l'auteur ne sachant pas gérer le patchworking ayant servi de monde a son oeuvre, tout comme c'était le cas avec Unohana.
Et indeed c'est vraiment pas très beau/élégant comme dessin. ( Vivement qu'il apprenne la perspective.)


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Vous me faites rire à essayer de chercher de la cohérence chez kubo :lol:


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Leonheart c'est totalement l'inverse : le temps est le même au SS et sur Terre, c'est le vieillissement des ames qui est différent (totalement aléatoire je dirais).

Au moment ou Ichigo part de chez Urahara pour aller sauver Rukia, quand ils se font expulser du passage par le train nettoyeur, il y a un petit schéma qui explique qu'ils ont avancé dans le temps, mais qu'il s'écoule pareil sur les deux plans. Voir trois plans, c'est la même pour le Hueco Mundo.

Par contre, ce qui est totalement random, c'est le vieillissement des ames. C'est censé être super ralenti, du coup c'est pas logique pour les enfants de Rukia/Abarai ...

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Les MaJ du dernier volume se font petit à petit; en fait une seule personne s occupe de traduire le roman.
Je posterai tout à la fin, mais cette semaine, c est important parce que toute l histoire de Bleach, depuis les origines, est révélée et ça répond à beaucoup de questions...

Le reste de l histoire c est surtout des combats et des Bankai. Le méchant de l histoire possède un Zanpakuto qui imite ceux qu il a déjà vu... dont Kyoga Suigetsu.

Aucune info sur le Bankai d aizen, ou ceux de la Division Zéro, par contre.

Bref, sans plus attendre, la vérité :

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Meanwhile, Ichibē recounts the Original Sin and the Soul King's origins to the Zero Squad and their Holy Soldiers:
Hundreds of millions of years after Creation, there was a world without life nor death.
Only humans and souls existed together in a single realm of existence within a self-contained cycle.
Eventually, hollows came into existence, disrupting the cycle by devouring souls.
Inevitably, the first menos soon came into being too.
But almost in response to its existence, the Soul King was born.
The Soul King vanquished the menos, and the self-contained cycle of souls continued once more.
Unfortunately, the world eventually fell back into chaos as the Soul King continued to vanquish hollows.
Soon after, 5 ancestral heads of the once 5 Great Noble Families gathered.
They intended to pool their ideas to serve a shared vision of changing the state of the world.
The Tsunayashiro ancestor was afraid the power of the Soul King would one day be used against them.
An unknown rival family ancestor wanted to cover up the 'pit' (that would later become Hell).
(Possibly the pit of chaos created by the disruption of the cycle of souls?)
The Kuchiki ancestor wanted to implement a new world order to bring balance to to the world.
The Shihoin ancestor wanted to widen the cycle of re-incarnation to avoid stagnation of their world.
The Shiba ancestor wanted to create a method to purify hollows, reverting them back into souls.
(They recognised that hollows had lost hearts that were worth saving.)
And so, a shared goal was born to separate the world of the living from the dead.
At the Tsunayashiro ancestor's insistence, the Soul King was bound and sealed within a crystal.
The Soul King's power of 'The Almighty' served as the keystone to separate and maintain the 3 worlds.
The World of the Living for humans, Soul Society for the souls, and Hueco Mundo for the hollows.
(The remains of the original menos and the hollows that came after, are the sands of Hueco Mundo.)
Yet the Tsunayashiro ancestor took things even further still. Still afraid of the Soul King's power.
First, the Soul King's Right Arm of 'stagnation' and Left Arm of 'Progress' were dismembered.
Then was his heart, organs, and legs. Leaving the Soul King as a powerless lynchpin and slave.
Ichibē mentioned that the Shiba ancestor attempted to sacrifice himself in place of the Soul King.
And so in response the Tsunayashiro ancestor 'erased them from history'.
But Kirio mentioned that Kaien and the Shiba family still retain this rebellious, chivalrous nature today.
Ichibē mentioned that Ichigo, a descendant of the Shiba family, had the best qualities to replace the Soul King.

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A chaque fois que je vois une news sur ce topic je me mets à croire à une reprise du manga...


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N'empêche que si Kubo avait daigné expliquer les intrigues relatives au Soul King et aux 5 familles, quitte à supprimer la moitié des sternritters, ça aurait pu avoir de la gueule.


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C'est énorme! Est-ce que quelqu'un sait pourquoi Aizen voulait foutre en l'air ce pacte millénaire établi dans le passé du coup ?

Je veux dire si l'info a été donné et que je l'ai manquée...


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Non ça n a jamais été dit explicitement.

J espère juste que ce light novel va se tailler une bonne réputation histoire de relancer une adaptation purement manga, voire un animé,

Ou encore un ultime light novel ou data Book pour révéler les Bankai et pouvoirs manquants (genre des Stern Ritter avec des lettres jamais expliquées etc).

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Sérieux l'anime de Bleach était excellent hormis ses HS (problème pas seulement inhérent à Bleach :roll: ).

Une adaptation avec un niveau de qualité comparable à l'arc SS ou Arrancar, et si possible enlever le sang noir ca serait le top.

Après tout le dernier arc avait son lot de passage trashs, peut-être même les plus trashs de Bleach pour autant que je m'en souvienne.


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Le ridicule de la situation quand meme ...

Devoir expliquer l'histoire de son manga car on est si mauvais qu'on a pas ete foutu de le foutre dans sa serie.

C'est un peu comme si tu regardais Inception et a la fin, à la place du generique, on t'expliquait le film car en fait personne n'a rien compris.


S'il n'a pas ou faire mieux c'etait pourtant pas à cause du temps qu'il passait sur les decors .... :lol:


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Ca arrive souvent que des gens n'aient pas capté un récit d'une série / film / livre... Ou des éléments du récit.

Bleach manque de 10 tomes finaux, on le sait depuis toujours. Au contraire c'est plutôt bien d'avoir un roman du coup. Je vois pas trop l'intérêt de ta remarque.

Je préfère qu'une BONNE série comme Bleach ait son univers etoffé plutôt que le cas de figure symétrique, des séries gâchées par les suites qu'on leur donne et qui sont à chier (Boruto, DBS, Terminator ?).


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Ca arrive souvent que des gens n'aient pas capté un récit d'une série / film / livre... Ou des éléments du récit.


Sauf que la il ne s'agit pas de ne pas capter : ce sont des pans complets d'histoire qui ne sont pas fournis. Et quand un lecteur (ce qui n'est pas mon cas) a payé 75 volumes d'une histoire a 7 euros piece le volume pendant 15 ans de sa vie ... C'est scandaleux.

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Bleach manque de 10 tomes finaux, on le sait depuis toujours. Au contraire c'est plutôt bien d'avoir un roman du coup. Je vois pas trop l'intérêt de ta remarque.


Faux, Bleach ne manque pas de 10 volumes finaux, il les a juste utilisé pour des combats de merde sans interet et des doubles pages de poseurs. Nuance. On pourra dire ce que l'on veut, quand un editeur te donne 4 ans pour conclure ton recit et tu ponds une telle merde finale, tu es seul fautif.

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Je préfère qu'une BONNE série comme Bleach ait son univers etoffé plutôt que le cas de figure symétrique, des séries gâchées par les suites qu'on leur donne et qui sont à chier (Boruto, DBS, Terminator ?).


Bonne serie ? Bleach ? J'ai toussé. Elle t'a diverti ? C'est tant mieux. Elle t'a plus ? C'est tant mieux. C'est une bonne serie ? Un message de l'auteur 2 ans apres pour expliquer ce que l'on a "oublié" de nous partager dans l'oeuvre demontre que.... non.

Laissez cette serie reposer en paix... L'auteur aurait trop de chose a reprendre pour sauver le naufrage


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Le mec a jeté un bidon d'essence sur la fin de sa série, a foutu le feu et s'est fendu d'un dernier chapitre dans lequel il se plaignait qu'on ne l'avait pas laissé raconter son histoire comme il le voulait. Et puis les volumes manquant pour étoffer son histoire... Avec 10 tomes de plus il aurait simplement fait durer les combats sur les volumes supplémentaires. On aurait eu quelques éléments d'univers révélés à travers Aizen et Yhwach mais rien d'aussi précis que ce qu'on peut découvrir en LN sur la soul society.

Et pour Boruto, ça ressemble à ce qu'aurait pu/dû proposer Naruto post ellipse en terme de combats, ennemis et univers en général.

Et DBS n'existe pas, c'est une fable pour faire peur aux enfants.


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Au moins il a le mérite d'apporter des explications même si on aurait apprécié qu'il les donnent dans le manga. Peut-être que si un hypothétique animé arrive un jour, il aura peut-être la chance de le faire via l'anime. One Piece me semble t'il a eu ce genre de chose ou des différences sont volontaires et que ça vient d'Oda, d'autre œuvre aussi, alors pourquoi pas Bleach.

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