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 MessagePosté: 21 Juil 2016 22:52      Sujet du message: Re: Free Fight [Tough Saison 2] ~ Tetsuya Saruwatari
 
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Faut croire qu'il en avait marre de la boule à façon Shaolin du coup il a opté pour la coupe façon mireille Mathieu...
Fausse Bonne idée comme dit


Watching the singer/songwriter 'Sia' performing her song "Chandelier" gave me the impression that Mr. Mas haircut can actually be considered to be up-to-date... XD

Sorry for not replying in French - but while I still can read and (more or less) understand written French my skills at writing in that language are basically non-existent.

(GoogleTranlate, btw. would suggest the following translation for the sentence I wrote above as:
"Désolé de ne pas répondre en français - mais alors que je peux encore lire et (plus ou moins) de comprendre le français écrit mes compétences à l'écriture dans cette langue sont essentiellement inexistantes.")


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Chapitre 29 : https://1fichier.com/?04aqe0pc5r

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 MessagePosté: 26 Juil 2016 17:27      Sujet du message: Re: Free Fight [Tough Saison 2] ~ Tetsuya Saruwatari
 
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Merci les mecs. ça annonce du très bon la semaine prochaine.

Pas de soucis Andy, tant que tu ne nous réponds pas en japonais lol


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 MessagePosté: 26 Juil 2016 20:11      Sujet du message: Re: Free Fight [Tough Saison 2] ~ Tetsuya Saruwatari
 
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Voici la traduction du nouveau chapitre.

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Pg.01:

Seiko: Kiryus legs got the "Dragon Foot" that only shows up
in one out of a million of people.

Due to the abnormal growth of his thigh muscles his kicks...

lash out with the flexibility of a willow twig but on impact
turn into a hammer that can even shatter rocks.

Pg.02:

Seiko: And it's possible that Ryuusei, who inherited his genes,
possesses the "Dragon Foot" too.

At some point this skills might suddenly awaken.

Pg.03:

Tough Guyden
The man who succeeds the dragon

Battle.29: Discharging power *) of the dragons thigh

Translators note: I found no proper translation for the original Kanji
used here. They relate to the Chinese concept of Fajin, which is a
martial arts technique to release ones energy with your attacks.

Seiko: A duel of "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"s

Pg.06:

Wenbao: Th... that's ludicrous.

This boy cannot possibly have grasped the "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"?

Y... yet this boys discharging power is for real.

Pg.07:

Wenbao: And the surge of his discharge penetrates deeply.

Guah.

Seiko: That one took effect.

Pg.08:

Seiko: Press for an answer now!

Wenbao: I... Is this the power of the Miyazawa family?

This is...

Pg.09:

Seiko: The "Dragon Foot"

Awaken, Ryuusei.

Pg.10:

Narration: 3 years earlier, Shanghai

Wenbao: It's the same like that time...

This power has nothing to do with physical strength.
It's effect has nothing to with brute force.

Pg.11:

Wenbao: The discharging power of 'Fajin' releases its energy
according to the waves and flows in the body.

It has nothing to with muscle power at all.

For example...

Pg.12:

Wenbao: Like this!

Pg.14:

Kiichi: I definitely appreciate the force of a real
"Sen'inpaku Hakyaku" but...

But it looks somewhat unrefined.

It'd be more effective and even cause fatal injuries if you just
put more physical strength behind it.

Pg.15:

Kiichi: Mr. Ma, I heard you were looking for me.

So I thought I'd spare you the trouble and come visiting myself.

Sign on Kiichis shirt: "Beware: Wild Man!"

Pg.16:

Wenbao: Let's go outside, Japanese devil.

I don't want my holy dojo being stained with your filthy blood.

Kiichi: You think there's something like clean and dirty blood?

Idiot. There are only two types of blood. Strong and weak.

Narration: His past with Miyazawa Kiichi becomes clear---!?

Closing line: Tough Guyden. The man who succeeds the dragon. BATTLE.29 END
Next Episode: Kiichi facing Ma...!?


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 MessagePosté: 26 Juil 2016 20:30      Sujet du message: Re: Free Fight [Tough Saison 2] ~ Tetsuya Saruwatari
 
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Bizarre quand même le comportement de Kiichi :| Il a l'air très agressif dans ces paroles, c'était pas trop son style non ?

On devrait en savoir plus dans les prochains chapitres.


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 MessagePosté: 26 Juil 2016 21:20      Sujet du message: Re: Free Fight [Tough Saison 2] ~ Tetsuya Saruwatari
 
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Bizarre quand même le comportement de Kiichi :| Il a l'air très agressif dans ces paroles, c'était pas trop son style non ?


Kiichi always had a rather rough style of speaking - even in the very first series. He's using a very down-to-earth
Kobe variation of Kansai-dialect, which alone would sound more rough than standard Japanese, and mostly refrains
from using any kind of the polite speech that someone would do in normal conversational Japanese. (In fact, among
the Miyazawa family he's the one with the most 'aggressive' way of talking - even Kiryuu usually uses quite polite
and refined language, as long as he doesn't get pissed off or intentionally wants to insult someone, and even then
he often insults other people using rather polite language.)

During the course of the second series of Tough his pattern of speech actually did become somewhat more aggressive
and rougher - however that's probably no wonder regarding what he's been going through.
I've just checked some of the final volumes of Tough season two, and I don't think that his way of speaking has
changed that much.

Of course it always depends on the translator how the words are translated into English - in my case I always decided
to give him a very rough but not overly aggressive way of speaking. I didn't on the other hand try to give him some
English accent which might be comparable (for example you could well imagine an English Kiichi speaking Cockney slang)
because that doesn't fit my style of translation and because I don't know enough about Cockney slang.

So... the level of roughness and aggressiveness obviously also depends on the translator. Someone other translator might translate Kiichis words in a more friendly-style of slang - and this here is just my take.

Anyway, in the original Japanese script, Kiichi doesn't sound much different from how he did during the end of Tough season two.


Perhaps finally one example why I opted for a more aggressive tone:

On page 15 Kiichi says:
"Mr. Ma, I heard you were looking for me."

The Japanese original reads as such:

"Ma-san anta ga washi o sagashiteru'tte kiita kara."

Translated word by word, this becomes:

"Mr. Ma you <speaking-of> me <have-been> searching (I) heard because"

Transmutating this into a normal English sentence, it becomes:

"Mr. Ma I heard you have been searching for me and because of that."

This one is a perfect translation in the grammatical sense - however
it completely ignores the fact that the "anta" in the Japanese
sentence is both superfluous and very aggressive to the ears of a normal
Japanese person.

While "anta" in fact means "you" it carries rather unfriendly undertones when
used in a context with people you are not very close with (like family and very
close friends). When used towards strangers, it's connotation is that you are
actually looking down on them (it's in fact not that bad in Kansai-ben, but still...)
and when voiced in a very angry mood "anta" can mean just as much as "son of a bitch".

I opted to keep Kiichis introduction line rather neutral, but carried the inherent
unfriendlyness over to his further dialogue with Ma Wenbao in a way that I hope conveys
what the original text intended.

Ah well, a good translation is such a difficult thing.... -_______-


ja ne,

~Andy


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Chapitre 30 : https://1fichier.com/?4b26fysohk

Bon visionnage avant la traduction d'andy3004. On verra bien ce que se disent Ma et Kiichi.

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Et voici la traduction du chapitre 30:

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Pg.01:

Seiko: A "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku" by Ryuuseis "Dragon Foot"

Pg.02:

Tough Guyden
The man who succeeds the dragon

Battle.30: Mark of the "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"

Wenbao: Haah

Pg.03:

Seiko: Having the "Dragon Foot" is proof that one inherited Kiryuus blood.

And witnessing the force of his kicking techniques just verifies
this fact.

Pg.05:

Ryuusei: I... I didn't hit him and still he went down...?

Seiko: Mr. Ma!

Look up here!

Ryuusei: What is this?

What the heck has happened?

Seiko: Mr. Ma's condition is strange.

Mr. Ma, I'm sorry but...

Pg.07:

Seiko: Th... there is
yet another mark below the one that Ryuuseis attack left behind.

Moreover, that one hit the "Danchuu" pressure-point perfectly.

Who could have done this...?

Wenbao: Mi...ya za...wa...
Ki...ichi

Pg.08:

Kiichi: Mr. Ma, don't get me wrong, won'tcha! Yeah, I did
beat up your pupils.

But that's just cos them were the ones who came at me and
attacked.

Wenbao: I've got no intention to start a discussion.

All I want is to drive a "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku" right into your
median plane. *)

*) Translators note: i.e.: the anatomical plane which divides
the body into right and left halves

Pg.09:

Kiichi: Median plane...?

When people fight they take a side stance and move around.

In a such a situation, precisely hitting a tsubo in the median plane
is next to impossible.

Wenbao: Yet this kind of precision is the very essence of Shaolin-ken.

And I shall finish you off with the very "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"
technique I taught you.

Kiichi: Whoa - sounds fun.

Pg.10:

Kiichi: Go ahead, try ta hit my median plane.

I'll even take a frontal stance!

Pg.11:

Wenbao: Are you making fun of me, Kiibo?

Kiichi: Of course. What else should I do.

There ain't no techniques left worth stealing from you.

Wenbao: SHUT UP!

And taste the true "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"!

Pg.14:

Kiichi: That's the difference of muscle power.

Since you already came with a disadvantage in strength,
our speed and power are miles apart - even when using the same
kicking technique.

Wenbao: Ha... ha... ha...

Kiichi: Also, your style of exerting power only through fluent movements
ain't much use in nowadays hyper-effective modern martial arts.

Pg.15:

Kiichi: But don't worry. The inheritor of your "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku"
will be me...

After you'll have passed away in about three years from now.

Wenbao: Uooooh!

KIIBOOO!

Pg.16:

Seiko: It seems Mr. Ma has already fallen victim to the "Three year killing".

Wenbao: I... I have not much time left to live...

On... only wanted to fight one more time against Miyazawa Kiichi.

Ryuusei: I feel as if some achievement has just been snatched away from me.

And Miyazawa Kiichi somehow really pisses me off.

Narration: Burning quietly in his heart - anger towards Miyazawa Kiichi


Closing line: Tough Guyden. The man who succeeds the dragon. BATTLE.30 END
Next Episode: Ryuusei acquiring certain information from Ma...!?


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Ca confirme ce que je pensais la dernière fois. Kiichi est bien plus agressif et brutal qu'il n'a jamais été !! Jamais il n'aurait intentionnellement fait ça à un adversaire :non:

Il lui est arrivé quoi a notre Kiichi si insouciant :? Sa copine l'a largué ou koi :lol:


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Merci les amis,

En tout cas tout ici laisse présager d'une rencontre finale entre Kiichi et Ryûsei.
Cela dit, ce qui me surprend c'est l'âge et le comportement de Kiichi dans ce flash Back. Si celui-ci remonte à 3 ans, Kiichi ne doit avoir plus de 30 ans ajd. Et surtout les aventures de Ryûsei se passent peu de temps après la fin de la saison 2.

C'est donc étonnant de voir un Kiichi avec un comportement si différent.
Non pas que ça me déplaise de voir Kiichi adopter cette mentale mais c'est juste l'antithèse de ce qu'il était après son combat Kakugo
Je me demande aussi quand il a eu le temps de recueillir et former Himeji du coup?

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Kiichi n'a jamais été tout à fait un enfant de cœur non plus. Il a toujours eu un coté racaille qui cherche les problèmes.
Seul truc, il ne s'en prenait pas aux plus faibles et n'en faisait pas plus que nécessaire. Maintenant vu que plus personne n'est à son niveau c'était une évolution possible. Il instruit les autres de la meme manière qu'il l'a lui mème été, la manière forte.


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Kiichi n'a jamais été tout à fait un enfant de cœur non plus. Il a toujours eu un coté racaille qui cherche les problèmes.
Seul truc, il ne s'en prenait pas aux plus faibles et n'en faisait pas plus que nécessaire. Maintenant vu que plus personne n'est à son niveau c'était une évolution possible. Il instruit les autres de la meme manière qu'il l'a lui mème été, la manière forte.

Ses méthodes ressemblent quand même plus à celle de de Kiryu que Seiko :|


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Ses méthodes ressemblent quand même plus à celle de de Kiryu que Seiko :|


I completely agree! What Kiichi did to Wenbao in this chapter was more or less on par with
what Kiryuu did to his opponents during the course of the first and second season of Tough. o_O;
(And Kiichi definitely wasn't that way at the end of Tough season two.)

Accordingly I'm really curious to see how the story will evolve, and I see only three possible
explanations:

a) Ma Wenbao being an "Unreliable narrator", who continues to tell only his view of things,
with the "real truth" (as George Carlin would have called it) being somewhat different.

b) The Kiichi that assaulted Ma Wenbao wasn't the real Kiichi but some impostor (remember how
Son'ou could completely change his appearance using some weird kind of pressure points,
and that technique was so perfect that even his own brothers couldn't see through it).

c) Kiichi really has turned into a much more darker version of himself.


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Tu nous vends du rêve...Un comme back peut-etre? Pour revenir sur la théorie d'Andy, je pense aussi que soit Ma a remixé ses souvenirs, soit on affaire à un faux Kiichi...Peut-être un nouveau fils de Kiryû ou de Son'o qui sait?

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Lorsque Shinta postera le prochain chapitre, la dernière page va vous scotcher

J'annonce le frère jumeau caché de Kiichi !!!!


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Le pire c'est que saru en est bien capable :lol: :lol:

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Chapitre 31 : https://1fichier.com/?43nwjzdsmi
Attention à la dernière page du chapitre.

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J'attends la trad et le prochain chapitre avec impatience!


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Cette dernière page de FOU O_o

La série m'intéresse de plus en plus...et graphiquement il n'y a toujours autant rien à dire...Saruwatari est un dessinateur incroyable.

edit: et comme toujours, un ENORME merci à vous de nous offrir les scans mais aussi les traductions de cette série. J'aimerais pouvoir participer bien plus au forum mais sincèrement quel bonheur de pouvoir vous voir l'animer!

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Bon là c'est plus possible !! Il faut une explication sur le comportement de Kiichi :evil:


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Sorry for being late. m(_ _)m
This chapter once again had some medical vocabulary that I needed to double-check
in dictionaries, but here's the finished translation for you to enjoy:

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Pg.01:

Tough Guyden
The man who succeeds the dragon

Seiko: It seems your "danchuu" pressure point received a direct impact.

Battle.31: Several impacts


Pg.02:

Seiko: The "danchuu" is the torsos biggest pressure point. However
it's protected by the sternum and the cartilage of the ribcage.-

Yet the impact of Kiichis "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku" distorted those
bones and even caused damage to the internal organs.

Kiichis kick is a dirty technique indeed.

It didn't cause the bones to break, which would have called for medical
treatment immediately - but instead precisely warped them.

Pg.03:

Seiko: If you "danchuu" pressure point had been hit one more time by
the "Sen'inpaku Hakyaku" of Ryuuseis "Dragon foot",

your sternum might have broken and your internal organs been destroyed
causing instant death.

In that case Ryuusei could even have been charged with murder.

Mr. Ma, please lie face-down now.

Pg.04:

Seiko: The first, second and third cervical vertebrae... and also the
vertebral column are tilted.

And their bones exert pressure on the nerves.

Since the spinal nerve extends to the peripheral nerves from each
single vertebrae, your pain should vanish once all of their positions
got corrected.

Mr. Ma, please don't give up.

It will take some time and some surgery, but I'm sure that you will
return to your former self.

Wenbao: Th... thank you so much, Mr. Miyazawa.

B... but after all I did to you...

Pg.05:

Seiko: Mr. Ma, please don't worry about that.

It's only natural that you became gloomy after your body weakened
and your spirit withered away.

Pg.06:

Ryuusei: Shit! Shit! DAMNED SHIT!

Pg.07:

Yuuki: Ryuusei! Why are you so angry?

Ryuusei: Because Mr. Ma got f***** injured by Miyazawa Kiichis
"Three year killing" before our brawl.

I was planning to win by fully puttin' my life on stake.

And now that price got snatched away.

Pg.08:

Ryuusei: In the end, all the nice things have already been grabbed
by that Miyazawa Kiichi.

Yuuki: Phew... you really pack a punch when you're angry.

That destructive power stems from your lower body, right?

Uncle told me about it. He said that you inherited the
"Dragon foot" from Kiryuu.

Pg.09:

Ryuusei: "Dragon foot"? What the heck?

I don't care 'bout that shit.

Yuuki: Well, if you're in such a violent mood you might consider
entering the "Ankoku Butoukai" *)

*) Translators note: Ankoku means "darkness" and "Butoukai" means
"martial arts tournament". I cannot think of a good-sounding
catchy English translation ("Rumble in the Dark", perhaps?) and
since I'm sure that we'll get an official transcription for this
event in the Manga itself later on, I decided to stay with the
original reading.

Ryuusei: The what?

Pg.10:

Yuuki: The rules are simple: several martial artists enter the ring
and fight while being blindfolded.

Supposedly it all originated in 1949 in Italy as "Blindfolded
Boxing" but has evolved into a more contemporary and violent event.

Pg.11:

Yuuki: It sounds like a blindfolded version of a "MMA Battle Royal".

The winner's the last one left standing in the ring.

Of course the events organizers hail from the seedier parts of
human society.

It's an underground match and thus risky, but apparently the
prize makes it worthwhile.

Pg.12:

Ryuusei: Uhm... I got one question: How do you even know about such
a thing, Yuuki?

Yuuki: A while ago Uncle medically treated someone who entered the
"Ankoku Butoukai" and suffered injuries.

Ryuusei: Yeah... that thing might give me some distraction - but I'm
really not interested in beating up amateurs.

Yuuki: Those people are pros!

Many of them being well-known grapplers.

The former boom in learning grappling skills has ebbed some while ago...

Thus nowadays, even some of the most famous grapplers have entered the
"Ankoku Butoukai" because they've fallen on financial hard times, or
so it seems.

Moreover...

Pg.13:

Yuuki: Miyazawa Kiichi also once fought in that tournament.

Ryuusei: Mi... Miyazawa...

Yuuki: Who knows... It might be a chance for you to encounter Miyazawa
Kiichi himself.

Pg.14:

Wenbao: M... Mr. Miyazawa. Have you heard about that rumor?

Seiko: What rumor exactly.

Wenbao: The one about Kiryuu.

Seiko: Kiryuu completely dropped off the radar some years ago.

I really don't know whether he died or whether he still lives.

Pg.15:

Wenbao: They say someone killed him.

Seiko: Th... that's impossible. He might fall victim to some natural
desaster or a freak accident.

But I don't think that any human being on this planet could
possibly kill Kiryuu.

Wenbao: With the exception of single one, perhaps?

The "strongest" man...

Pg.16:

Wenbao: "Miyazawa Kiichi has killed Kiryuu!"

Narration: The overwhelmingly shocking fact!!!

Closing line: Tough Guyden. The man who succeeds the dragon. BATTLE.31 END
Next Episode: Ryuusei considering the "Butoukai"...!?


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Bon là c'est plus possible !! Il faut une explication sur le comportement de Kiichi :evil:


Actually after reading and translating this chapter, it suddenly occurred to me that there might be yet
another explanation to why Kiichi behaves so strangely in this new series, and the more
I think about it the more compelling (yet also esoteric) it becomes.

I'll post my thoughts later this evening - perhaps some other one on this forum comes to similar conclusions
after reading this episode....!? XD


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So here's my 4th explanation why Kiichi doesn't act Kiichi-like in this new series of Tough:

The reason is that the current Kiichi is not Kiichi anymore, but Kiryuu himself! :mrgreen:

Sounds crazy... well perhaps, but think of this:

During the end of Tough, there was a fight between Kiichi and Son'ou where they
basically detached their spirits from their body and let them battle it out instead
of their physical forms. So far, that was one of the very few strange techniques
used that the author didn't actually try to give us a logical explanation for.

So I could imagine that before this new season of Tough began, Kiichi and Kiryuu had
an actual fight, used that particular technique, but then Kiryuu somehow succeeded to
plant his spirit into Kiichis body.

It still sounds crazy, but it would explain many things:

- Why did Kiichi act like Kiryuu when he slaughtered Ma and his pupils? Well, because he was infact Kiryuu!
- Why did Kiichi decide to accept the murdering child Himeji as his pupil? Well, because it was his son!
- Why did Kiichi then throw out Himeji? Well, not becase he was uncontrollable, but because his skills weren't good enough!
- Why did only Ma - and none other - know of the rumor that Kiichi killed Kiryuu? Probably because Kiichi/Kiryuu told one of his pupils about the thing while he was smashing them up, and that one told it to Ma.
- Why has nobody seen or heard anything from Kiryuu for some years? Well, because Kiryuu is now in Kiichis body. *)
- Why has there apparently been no contact whatsoever between Kiichi and Seiko during the past years? Well, because Kiryuu obviously wants to keep some distance from one of the only persons he suspects could see through what he did.
- Why was Himeji been told by Kiichi not to attack Oton? Well, obviously for the above mentioned reasons.


*) This still leaves the question what happened to Kiichis mind and Kiryuus body - but one might assume that Kiryuu used a similar technique he used on Seiko at the end of Tough season 1 to put his former body into a catatonic state and then applied the technique Son'ou used to transform his face to make his old body look different. So the real Kiichi would now dwell in some catatonic body in some hospital somewhere.


Hehe... me likes those crazy ideas. XD XD XD


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That sounds effectively crazy !! Kiichi is not Kiichi anymore, but Kiryuu :shock:

Well i have an another idea.
We know that Kiryuu tried to get Kiichi to the Killing side (or dark side whatever) before the Son'ou's story. Maybe he tried again by pushing him too much (like by killing his girlfriend) and than Kiichi went crazy, killed Kiryuu and went to rampage, like that guy who became a beast with Kiryuu's help (don't remember his name).


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l0l067 a écrit:
That sounds effectively crazy !! Kiichi is not Kiichi anymore, but Kiryuu :shock:

Well i have an another idea.
We know that Kiryuu tried to get Kiichi to the Killing side (or dark side whatever) before the Son'ou's story. Maybe he tried again by pushing him too much (like by killing his girlfriend) and than Kiichi went crazy, killed Kiryuu and went to rampage, like that guy who became a beast with Kiryuu's help (don't remember his name).



Actually your idea is much more sane than mine (and it also goes on par with my original 3rd thought that Kiichi just
got more dark/evil for what reason whatsoever).

Yet it always occurred to me that later on Tetsuya Saruwatari considered Kiryuu to be his most favorite character.
(I mean, why would he otherwise do the "Another side of Kiryuu" skits and even give him the main role in the 3
part "Monster X Monsters" special.)
(Admittedly Kiryuu somewhat got 'nerfed' during the very final arc of Tough Season 2, but in the end he was the
one who managed to beat his opponent on a spiritual level even while his body was down for the count.)
With all this in mind, methinks it'd be just weird if Kiryuu got killed off-screen in this new series, methinks.


But well, let's just look and see and enjoy how this new story evolves! \(^o^)/


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Je ne sais pas si Kiryu a réussi à posséder le corps de Kibô, mais pour le coup on basculerait dans le domaine du fantasmagorique total. Autant l'état de zone pouvait être vu comme une forme de projection mentale avancée, autant là on part carrément dans Harry Potter! Lol
En même temps, quand on se souvient de la technique de Kakugo sur les cellules miroirs, on est plus à une invraisemblance près...
Par contre il y a une chose que je trouve assez intéressante dans l'affrontement entre Kibo et Kiryû, c'est que bien que ce combat ait été le plus attendu depuis la fin de la saison 1, c'est le seul qui ne soit jamais produit dans le réel.
Kibô a affronté Seiko et Son'o mais jamais Kiryu, comme si l'auteur voulait entourer cette rencontre de mystère ou la garder pour plus tard... Ça se confirme par le fait que le prétendu meurtre de Kiryu par Kibo s'est déroulé "off record".
Je pense donc que Kiryu n'est pas mort ou en tout cas que Kiichi ne l'a pas tué.
Si quelqu'un a affronté Le Dragon Maléfique, c'est une autre personne qui se fait passer pour Kiichi.
Une chose est certaine, c'est ne s'est pas passé comme le dit Wenbao...

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hello tout le monde ca fait longtemps que je suis pas venu.
j ai aussi ma théorie, je ne pense pas qu il y ait de possession
je ne sais plus dans quel poste quelqu un disait que Kibo n etait pas un saint et je suis d'accord son but depuis le début du manga a toujours été d etre le plus fort, le combat contre Kiryu n est qu une suite logique. Il devait affronté le monstre d'entre les monstres. Après je pense qu il l a vraiment tué car Kiryu lui a demandé, vu son ego il n aurait jamais pu vivre en ayant perdu un combat.
Souvenez vous de la derniere cover de free fight, Kibo a les yeux rouges je pense que quelque chose s'éveille en lui.


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Pour ma part, étant donné qu'on nous parle de ce nouveau tournoi le " Ankoku Butoukai ", ils ont dû s'y affronter. Vu que l'on voit que les combattants participant à ce tournoi ont les yeux bandés, Kiichi et Kiryu ont dû s'y affronter. Le bandeau doit s'en doute permettre aux combattants de se lâcher complètement ( ce bandeau me fait penser à un des juppongatana dans Kenshin, celui qui porte le bandeau où il y a marqué " les Yeux de l'esprit" ). Pour ma part, je ne crois pas que Kiichi ai tué Kiryu, même s'il l'a sans aucun doute vaincu au vu de la dernière page. De plus, même avec les yeux bandés, au vu de leur degré de maîtrise, ces deux-là auraient sans aucun doute pu reconnaitre le style Nadashinkageryu.

Si, comme certains l'envisagent, se devait être un autre Kiichi voire quelqu'un se faisant passer pour lui, ça ferait un peu beaucoup pour moi. Que Kiichi puisse blesser grièvement Kiryu pour mettre un terme à leur confrontation, cela ne me surprendrait pas et cela ne me dérange pas outre mesure, lorsque l'on connait le caractère de Kiryu ( cf. les combats entre Kiryu et les membres du Yugenshinkageryu ). Faire de Kiichi un tueur, je n'y crois pas. J'attends la suite avec impatience.

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Effectivement je n'avais pas pensé à l'éventualité d'un combat à l'aveugle qui aurait mal tourné, un peu comme le combat entre Souther et son maître dans Hokuto no Ken.
Dans cas Kiichi aurait pu mortellement blesser Kiryû sans le savoir. Cela cela paraît peu probable quand on sait que les Miyazawa ont la capacité de reconnaître l'aura et que Kibo aurait reconnu les techniques de son oncle même les yeux bandés

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Pour ceux qui préfèrent le format volume avec la couverture officielle, vous trouverez le tome 1 ici :http://rawset.org/tough-龍を継ぐ男-第01巻-tough-ryu-wo-tsugu-otoko-vol-01/

Il comprend les 12 premiers chapitres.

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Chapitre 32 ici : https://1fichier.com/?aajuk4daoe

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Whoa... That chapter appeared early! O.O Just discovered it one hour ago, but fortunately it was a rather easy
one to translate, so I still managed to finish it before going to bed now...

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Pg.01:

Wenbao: "Miyazawa Kiichi has killed Kiryuu!"

Tough Guyden
The man who succeeds the dragon

Battle.32: Ankoku Butoukai


Pg.02:

Seiko: Kiichi killed Kiryuu? That's absolutely unbelievable!

Wenbao: Sorry... like I said - it was just a rumor I heard.

But what I definitely know is that Miyazawa Kiichi will
show up in the "Blindfolded MMA" tournament.

Yes, in that "Ankoku Butoukai".


Pg.04:

Ryuusei: How gross...

Ravens feasting on a dogs cadaver.

Pg.05:

Ryuusei: This should be the Ravens building.

Do they really held a tournament in such kind of place?

Pg.08:

Kei: Hey pretty boy! Wanna enter the stage ya'self too?

Hehehe... I'm Kei, the booker.

Pg.09:

Kei: There's only one rule in "Blindfolded MMA":

Never pull off anyones blindfold. And that's about all.

Ya may bite, gouge out eyes, grab your opponents balls -
t's all fine 'n fair.

But if ya pull off a blindfold ya'll be disqualified on the spot.
Oh - and ya'll get a nasty penalty ta boot!

Ryuusei: A penalty?

Kei: Yup. A fine of 5 million Yen. *)

*) Translators note: About Euro 45000,- by current rates

Pg.10:

Kei: But don'tcha worry. Folks who ain't got that cash can get some
from the loan sharks for quite... 'reasonable' rates.

Prize money in the amateur rank's 500.000 Yen and 1 Million
in the pro one. Tax-free, of course.

Since ya're a newcomer I'd say that the amateur rank's just
perfect for ya, pretty boy.

Frankly speaking, most of those amateurs ain't got no brain or money.
Just a bunch blockheads who only rely on their muscles and
brawling skills.

Pg.11:

Kei: This tournament's just wack - but so far there never have been
any casualties.

Come to think of it...some of them poor sods who lost would mayhaps
be better off having kicked the bucket - considering how they've got
crippled for life.

Ryuusei: Ok, ok... but I'd still like to enter the pro rank.

Kei: Hey, wait a sec. The pro rank's for the strong guys who already
got used to the rules.

Can't drop any names - but until some years ago, the pro rank
had even some real famous grapplers.

Pg.12:

Ryuusei: And fighting strong and dangerous guys is the very reason
I came here for.

I've got no interest at all in fighting against lowlife
scum who "got no brain or money and just rely on their muscle
and brawling skills".

Kei: Aaargh...

Y... yeah, I said they were blockheads. But 'lowlife' and 'scum' not.

Ryuusei: Oh... don't get so picky about words. However you phrase it
they are nothing but idiots.

Pg.13:

Thug: Hey! When you just said "lowlife scum", did'ya mean us?

Ryuusei: See anyone else around here who fits that description?

Thug: I'LL FUCKING KILL YA!!!

Pg.15:

Key: Jeeeez!

Pg.16:

Other thugs:

What the...

That monster Tsugou got knocked out just like that?

His jaw has been broken

Who the fuck is that guy?

Narration: Onwards, to the next stage...

Ryuusei: I'm sorry...

But... it seems that I'm really strong, right?

Kei: Welcome to pro rank!

Closing line: Tough Guyden. The man who succeeds the dragon. BATTLE.32 END
Next Episode: What will Ryuusei see in pro rank...!?


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Ryuusei est déjà au Tournoi ça traine pas !! Et peut etre enfin une rencontre avec Kiichi :twisted:

Et la mort de Kiryuu n'est qu'une rumeur. il est coriace, il doit récupérer quelque part !!

Sinon c'est la copine a Saruwatari à la dernière page ?? :lol:


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Merci les gars!
Sacré Saru, il trouve toujours des idées tordues pour relancer la série!
Vu la façon dont on nous tease sur le fait que de célèbres grapplers participent au tournoi incognito, je ne serai pas surpris par le retour de têtes bien connues.
À votre avis qui aurait sa place dans un tel endroit?
Moi je vois bien (dans l'ordre de probabilité)
-Yoshiki
-Minoru
-Chosho
-Son'o
-Kikuta
-Ou pourquoi pas Shinichi Kiba?

J'aimerais bien qu'on ait une apparition d'un guerrier du Yuugen ( le serpent par exemple)

Qu'en pensez-vous?

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Chapitre 33 : https://1fichier.com/?qt3yhlop9o

A un moment, j'ai cru à un retour de Shinichi Kiba ... mais non. Petit clin d'oeil de Saruwatari peut-être.

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Woooooww la classe de Kiichi, les planches sont sublimes!!!

Sympa ce nouveau défi, hâte de voir al suite, et surtout MERCI à nos bienfaiteurs!!


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And heeeeere's.... *) the translation for the new chapter!

*) SCNR XD


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Pg.01:

Narration: At last: the place where Miyazawa Kichi is...!?

Kei: You're really strong, pretty boy.
Is that Karate you use?

Ryuusei: Nadashinkageryuu.


Tough Guyden
The man who succeeds the dragon

Battle.33: Mister Chin

Kei: Is that a traditional martial arts?

Ryuusei: Uhm listen, there's one thing I'd like to ask.

Has Miyazawa Kiichi ever entered this tournament?

Kei: Miyazawa Kiichi...


Pg.02:

Kei: Ain't heard that name, nope.

Not everyone uses his real name while fighting here.

Ryuusei: Was there ever a guy as strong as in Manga books?

Kei: Manga y'mean.

Like in 'ridiculously strong'?

Well, perhaps Legend M fits that description.

Ryuusei: Legend M


Pg.03:

Kei: He's a true "living weapon".

Where he touches he cuts the skin. Where he hits he breaks bones.

He's the legendary fighter that once brought down 3 men within
7 seconds.

And that record hasn't been broken ever since.


Pg.04:

Referee: Match 3 is over!

Kei: Did ya come here because you were looking for Miyazawa Kiichi,
pretty boy?

Ryuusei: Kinda...

Kei: Well ya might be lucky,

Y'see, after a long absence Legend M has entered this tournament.

Ryuusei: Could it really be Miyazawa Kichi

Kei: But anyway - we should get prepared now.

Here, y'need this.


Pg.05:

Ryuusei: Arrgh... band-aids over my eyes?

Kei: And on top of that we wrap this tape firmly around your head
many times.

Y'see in amateur rank where those blokes fight it out like in
a bar brawl, the mask sometimes gets ripped off - but the audience
doesn't care much.
(The organizers of course do, because that allows them to lend the
penalty money at high rates.)

If the mask gets ripped off in a pro rank match however the crowd will get
angry and start booing.

Those pro ranks got technique and experience resulting in an
interesting and gaudy fight. Everyone hates it when interruptions
occur.
And for that reason the masks in pro rank are different.

Ryuusei: Uwah... Can't see anything.


Pg.06:

Kei: Righto, let's go. And dontcha cling to my shirt like that.

Ryuusei: Y... yes.

Kei: Oh - almost forgot. Your ring-name under which you've got
registered for the tournament is Mister Chin!

Ryuusei: Ch... Chin?

Alright, understood.

B...but not being able to see is quite frightening.

I mean, I'm basically unable to walk alone by myself.

Kei: Dontcha worry bout that! When people lose their sense of sight
it gets compensated for by all other senses getting sharpened.

Pg.07:

Ryuusei: Th... this can't be.

There is something non-human around here.


Pg.08:

Ryuusei: My instinct's setting off all alarm bells because there's some
dangerous predator right in front of me.

It's coming...

Getting closer.

It could kill me with a single blow were I so foolish as to attack.


Pg.09:

Ryuusei: It's strength is absolutely miles above my own.


Pg.12:

Ryuusei: Uaah.

Th... the one who just passed by - who was it?

Kei: Uhm... who might that be indeed.

It's so dark in here that I didn't recognize him.

Ryuusei: I had the burning sensation of some tremendous 'Ki'.

But it was different from Mr. Seikos. This one here emitted a much
more violent "Ki".


Pg.13:

Kei: Everything ok? You're covered in sweat!

Ryuusei: What kind of person was that?

Announcer: And now begins the fourth round of the pro rank matches
under Ankoku Butoukais "blindfolded MMA rules".


Pg.14:

Announcer: "What lies ahead of us is covered in darkness" No one
knows what the future holds in store.

And darkness means anxiety. It means nothing but terror.

Yet, in every era there are heroes born from those troubling times.
They are a the ones to achieve what "Nobody can achieve" and to do
what "Nobody is able to do".

They are men who love danger.


Pg.15:

Announcer: So let's give a hearty welcome to these idiots who are
storming ahead full speed with their eyes wide shut.

Ryuusei: Is Miyazawa Kiichi here?

Announcer: First of all, in his debut fight this evening, wearing
the red mask: MISTER CHIN!

Ryuusei: Ooops... right... Chin is me, of course.

Hello!

Audience: Chin! You can do it.

Announcer: In the yellow mask: AGENT DEBOO!

Audience: Don't become fodder for the crows!

Announcer: In the white mask: MAGNUM HAYASHI!

And allow me to finally present...

In the black mask, the living weapon LEGEND M!!!


Pg.16:

Ryuusei: Legend M.... could that person be Miyazawa Kiichi?

Narration: Finally - a chance meeting...!?

Ryuusei: Is Miyazawa Kiichi standing in front of me?


Closing line: Tough Guyden. The man who succeeds the dragon. BATTLE.33 END
Next Episode: Ryuuseis opponent is...!?


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Hum il croise Kiichi avant son combat donc Legend M c'est pas Kiichi non ?

Pourquoi Kei n'a pas été marqué par les Combat de Kiichi :? Legend M serait il aussi fort que lui ?


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Hum il croise Kiichi avant son combat donc Legend M c'est pas Kiichi non ?

Pourquoi Kei n'a pas été marqué par les Combat de Kiichi :? Legend M serait il aussi fort que lui ?


Je pense aussi que Legend M n'est pas Kiichi mais que ce dernier est venu en observateur.

Il est possible que Kei n'aie pas remarqué les performances de Kiichi car ce dernier s'est retenu ou s'est imposé un handicap.

La question c'est qui d'autre pourrait être Legend M?

M comme Minoru... ou comme Master Son'o Miyazawa?

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